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Posted by Archibald   (12 posts)  [Biography] bio
Date Sat 28 Jul 2007 12:33 AM (UTC)
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silly question!

Sometimes I like to play on telnet for aesthetic reasons, er, like when I'm not planning on doing any fighting or I'm just logging on to check my messages. Anyways, when I play telnet, I usually play it fullscreen. The words are perfectly "wrapped" to fit the whole screen - I love it. It has something to do with "raster fonts" I think, but to be honest, I don't have a clue. I've tried to duplicate the effect on MUSH, but I haven't had any luck. Can I duplicate the effect? Or at least get something similar? If anyone knows what I'm talking about or thinks they can help me, please post.
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Posted by Shadowfyr   USA  (1,783 posts)  [Biography] bio
Date Reply #1 on Sat 28 Jul 2007 02:10 AM (UTC)
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Umm. Its called "fixed width fonts". And the answer is yes and no. Fixedsys is the only Windows font that correctly does this, but its a) not true type, so can't be rescaled to a size "in between" the ones already in the font and b) some characters are in the wrong order, as far as every other font is concerned. The DOS/Console window in Windows actually cheats and uses Lucida Console to "fill in" the in between sizes not in the Fixedsys font, but you can tell when it changes from one to the other by how the text becomes "thicker" or "thinner" as you change sizes. Mushclient doesn't support such translation natively, and to make it look right you almost have to "Bold" the characters too, which messes with Mushclient's incorrect interpretation of ANSI Bold as both "high color" and "bold font", of which its should technically only do the first one.

Unfortunately, Mushclient just wasn't made to be a pure Telnet client, and none of the modern fonts installed on Windows where designed to be used in the type of client that does pure Telnet.
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Posted by Archibald   (12 posts)  [Biography] bio
Date Reply #2 on Sat 28 Jul 2007 02:50 AM (UTC)
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I've always used monospaced fonts in MUSH...consolas, fixedsys, lucidia console, etc. I think what I'm trying to is use a raster font? I don't think Fixedsys is one. Anyways, I've tried about everything you can imagine in terms of box combinations in the output window.

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A raster font is another name for a bitmapped font. (Windows NT/2000/XP tends to use the term "raster font", while other Windows' versions - and most other systems - refer to "bitmapped fonts".)

A bitmapped font represents each character glyph using a bitmap array. As the logical size of the bitmap is fixed, its physical size (inches WxD) on a screen - or printer - will depend upon the resolution (dots - or "pixels" - per inch) of the device.

Raster fonts are therefore less "efficient" than scalar fonts - they need separate bitmap sets for each and every font size. However, the quality of the hand crafted glyphs is typically much better than that produced by scaling algorithms - especially at small point sizes.They are always preferred in situations where text clarity is critical and screen "space" is at a premium.


So, in response to your post, I'm kinda puzzled. Is there anything at all I can do? I've tried downloading certain raster fonts and applying them but I've had no luck. This is what I want, specifically: monospaced fonts that wrap to fit the entire window, whether it be fullscreen or anything else. Have you done (or can you do personally) something similar? *shrug*


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Posted by Nick Gammon   Australia  (21,322 posts)  [Biography] bio   Forum Administrator
Date Reply #3 on Sat 28 Jul 2007 03:12 AM (UTC)
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Is this a MUSH or similar? Most SMAUG-like MUDs wrap at the server end.

What you want, I gather, is for a fixed width font to go to the window edge, and then wrap? That should work OK. Set up the window the size you want, then go into world configuration -> Output, and click on "Adjust width to size". That will calculate how many columns (characters) you can fit into the window at your selected font size. From then on it should wrap at that column. Is that what you mean?

- Nick Gammon

www.gammon.com.au, www.mushclient.com
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Posted by Archibald   (12 posts)  [Biography] bio
Date Reply #4 on Sat 28 Jul 2007 04:23 AM (UTC)
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It's an IRE mud, Lusternia -

Er this might be of some help.

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n26/lusternia/bigscreen.jpg

I wish I could take a picture of what full-screen telnet looks like while playing...

Now all I have to do is adjust the font somehow? I'm having trouble optimizing so I have a good size/output ratio. Er, like If I buff up the size of the font the less if I'm reading per line if that makes any sense.

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Posted by Archibald   (12 posts)  [Biography] bio
Date Reply #5 on Sat 28 Jul 2007 04:37 AM (UTC)
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[b]If I buff up the size of the font the less [i]info[/i] I'm reading per line[/b] *

Wish there was an edit function on these forums... >_>...

And Nick! BTW, I want to say thank you for making such a rockin' program. I appreciate all the work you put into it. Without it, I'd have never gotten into MUDS. Anyways, thanks!
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Posted by Nick Gammon   Australia  (21,322 posts)  [Biography] bio   Forum Administrator
Date Reply #6 on Sat 28 Jul 2007 04:38 AM (UTC)
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When you are using full-screen telnet, how wide is it? That is, do the paragraphs wrap other than in the screen dump you just showed?

Judging by that, this is a MUD that wraps for you. There may be a configuration option on the MUD to turn that off (line width or something).

- Nick Gammon

www.gammon.com.au, www.mushclient.com
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Posted by Archibald   (12 posts)  [Biography] bio
Date Reply #7 on Sat 28 Jul 2007 05:01 AM (UTC)
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The paragraphs are perfectly huge. Like one paragraph will wrap perfectly from side of the screen to the other (also a good sized paragraph will take up like 30-40% of the screen - but it's so perfectly spaced). Under properties, the screen buffer size is 80w 300h, and the window size is 80w by 50h. It says the font is 5x12 "raster fonts"... Although I think it all changes when it's full screen.

Anyways, after much digging, I found an obscure command that does what you said. (config wrapwidth 0) It's great! Thanks for the tip :)
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Posted by Nick Gammon   Australia  (21,322 posts)  [Biography] bio   Forum Administrator
Date Reply #8 on Sat 28 Jul 2007 05:03 AM (UTC)
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Wish there was an edit function on these forums... >_>...


If you log in, rather than entering your password for each message, you have an "edit" link at the top of your messages.

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And Nick! BTW, I want to say thank you for making such a rockin' program. I appreciate all the work you put into it. Without it, I'd have never gotten into MUDS. Anyways, thanks!


You are welcome. MUDs are fun with a good client, and when you get into the swing of them. :)

- Nick Gammon

www.gammon.com.au, www.mushclient.com
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