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Posted by Shadowfyr   USA  (1,783 posts)  [Biography] bio
Date Sat 09 Sep 2006 02:11 AM (UTC)
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Have you changed something one your site for IDing clients Nick? Because I just added FlashGot to my Firefox, so I could get better Getright integration, and it seems you are forbidding Getright. :( This bugs the hell out of me, since I frankly don't trust the so called managers in browsers to not mess things up. Not a major issue with files as small as Mushclient is, but when people do it to me on far larger files...
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Posted by Nick Gammon   Australia  (21,322 posts)  [Biography] bio   Forum Administrator
Date Reply #1 on Sat 09 Sep 2006 03:34 AM (UTC)
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No idea what that is about. I don't manage my web server, perhaps the Futurequest people have done something like that.

- Nick Gammon

www.gammon.com.au, www.mushclient.com
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Posted by Nick Gammon   Australia  (21,322 posts)  [Biography] bio   Forum Administrator
Date Reply #2 on Sat 09 Sep 2006 03:35 AM (UTC)
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See this:

http://www.aota.net/forums/showthread.php?t=11262

- Nick Gammon

www.gammon.com.au, www.mushclient.com
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Posted by Ked   Russia  (524 posts)  [Biography] bio
Date Reply #3 on Sat 09 Sep 2006 05:26 AM (UTC)
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I use Download Master (http://www.westbyte.com/dm/index.phtml) and it works fine anywhere. It also integrates with Firefox, and I've been very happy with it for the last two of three years that I've had it for.

Though it doesn't prefetch pages like GetRight, but that's one of the reasons why I use it - have to pay for bandwidth by the megabyte.
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Posted by Onoitsu2   USA  (248 posts)  [Biography] bio
Date Reply #4 on Sat 09 Sep 2006 06:50 AM (UTC)
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I use standalone version of FlashGet (JetCar is the 'codename') and have run into no problems on ANY page, even the ones that say they do not support download resuming, or disallow download accelerators/managers.

I use version 1.4 of it if that matters, cause I think it is SEVERAL years old, like 1999 - 2000 range of time :)

Laterzzz,
Onoitsu2
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Posted by Shadowfyr   USA  (1,783 posts)  [Biography] bio
Date Reply #5 on Sat 09 Sep 2006 06:03 PM (UTC)

Amended on Sat 09 Sep 2006 06:05 PM (UTC) by Shadowfyr

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Well bloody #@$#. Yes, Getright does have segmented downloading. No, I don't personally use it, unless there are multiple servers available. **Sane** servers simply watch for someone trying to download more than one file/segment from the same IP and *then* 403 them for a certain amount of time. Banning the client is just lazy and a pain in the ass for anyone that isn't cheating. :(

Sigh, oh well, Guess I am going to have to remember to use the "Save file as..." function for here from now on instead and simply "hope" you never have a file over about 10MB, which "might" take more time than I can remain connected (or am at least willing to watch the comp to see if I have to restart due to some glitch).

Did you change servers or something recently though? That post is ages old and I only started having this problem since like version 3.78. Prior to that, Getright worked fine...
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Posted by Shadowfyr   USA  (1,783 posts)  [Biography] bio
Date Reply #6 on Sat 09 Sep 2006 06:30 PM (UTC)
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Oh, and Ked... Your manager uses the same segmenting feature as Getright. Its this feature that gets all of them banned, since they are too bloody lazy to a) develop a protocol that will "tell" a manager if its allowed to do this and how many or b) set their system up to refuse (or even drop for a hour or so) any connection that tries to do so. Most places probably simply don't know that Download Master is around, or consider it enough of an annoyance to bother blocking.

There is game site for older DOS games, etc. www.the-underdogs.com, which uses the, "ban anyone trying to connect more than once from an IP", trick, but its a bit stupid and will kill your access for several hours, even if its a completely different file, and its only a few hundred K (like a game manual), not some huge game download. All in all, I just wish people would use torrents systems, which can be redone to require user authentication, if needed, (see www.boxtorrents.com for an example of one that does this), and where, if you are not connecting to the tracker using the same IP you signed onto the site with, you are not going to get anything, *or* they where to come up with something for standard managers that isn't so bloody stupid that the only solution to cheats is to ban good download managers. Everything used today is "still" predicated on the worthless assuption that the guy downloading it either doesn't have or doesn't need (for what ever reason, including the poor design of built in download clients in browsers) any sort of program that "might" try to establish multiple connections.

Its a boneheaded and stupid assumption in this day and age, and the "solution" always used is completely useless to everyone, since a) I can't download some things without a better manager, and without the session BS some try to use to stop it, and b) I won't download things from most sites at all, if I can't use a working manager. Net result - I am not going to be one of their customers. Had the chance to get a free version of Poser 5 recently, but they had session management and the file was so big there was no way in hell I could download it without something going wrong. Guess I am not going to be "upgrading" to 6 through their special offer, am I? lol The people that make Bryce where not this blind, so.. I do have a copy of that now, and if I found it to be worth anything, I might pay for a full version. (not likely though.. Bryce is not "that" impressive.
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Posted by Nick Gammon   Australia  (21,322 posts)  [Biography] bio   Forum Administrator
Date Reply #7 on Sat 09 Sep 2006 09:35 PM (UTC)
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Did you change servers or something recently though?


No, not for ages. Perhaps they changed the rules recently.

As for banning an IP address, that is crazy, in these days of sharing IP addresses using NAT.

Say an entire school has one shared IP address, and one kid does something silly, for sites to ban that address just affects everyone else there, and they won't even know which person at the school caused the problem in the first place.

- Nick Gammon

www.gammon.com.au, www.mushclient.com
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Posted by Nick Gammon   Australia  (21,322 posts)  [Biography] bio   Forum Administrator
Date Reply #8 on Sat 09 Sep 2006 09:36 PM (UTC)
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... and simply "hope" you never have a file over about 10MB ...


Thankfully, MUSHclient is under 2 Mb. :)

A lot of other clients aren't that small. :o)

- Nick Gammon

www.gammon.com.au, www.mushclient.com
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