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Posted by Kamorov   (1 post)  Bio
Date Wed 23 Jun 2004 04:58 AM (UTC)
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i am getting random crashes from the program when i am running the program
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Posted by Flannel   USA  (1,230 posts)  Bio
Date Reply #1 on Wed 23 Jun 2004 05:31 AM (UTC)
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Youre going to have to try and be more specific than that.

Does it happen when you click on something? Something happens with the mud? When you open something?

Do you have scripts running, if so, which language? What version are you using?
~Flannel

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Eternity's Trials.

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Posted by Nick Gammon   Australia  (23,120 posts)  Bio   Forum Administrator
Date Reply #2 on Wed 23 Jun 2004 06:40 AM (UTC)
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Hey, read the recent post about cracking. Is this a legitimate version? ;)

Anyway, random crashes do not generally happen, I usually have my copy running for weeks on an end (I don't reboot the PC until Windows "does it for me").

However if you are using scripting, the script engine might crash. Make sure you have the latest VBscript, Jscript or whatever you are using. I didn't write those and cannot take responsibility for them.
- Nick Gammon

www.gammon.com.au, www.mushclient.com
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Posted by Poromenos   Greece  (1,037 posts)  Bio
Date Reply #3 on Wed 23 Jun 2004 10:30 AM (UTC)
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I don't know, when I used MUclient on 98 it hogged memory quite badly, even with 500 lines or so (I was on 16mb memory though), so It might be a problem. I remember trying it once on win98 on my new PC with 1GB ram and it did the same thing... It runs perfectly under XP though...
Vidi, Vici, Veni.
http://porocrom.poromenos.org/ Read it!
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Posted by David Haley   USA  (3,881 posts)  Bio
Date Reply #4 on Wed 23 Jun 2004 05:11 PM (UTC)
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I leave mine open for weeks on end as well, no problems there.

Poromenos, when you say that MUSHclient hogs memory, how much are you talking about?
David Haley aka Ksilyan
Head Programmer,
Legends of the Darkstone

http://david.the-haleys.org
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Posted by Poromenos   Greece  (1,037 posts)  Bio
Date Reply #5 on Wed 23 Jun 2004 07:40 PM (UTC)
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Well on 98 it took up everything (all of my 16MB :P) and the fonts in all the windows reverted to the default until I restarted. The one time I tried on my new pc under 98, it took something like 700mb of RAM...
Vidi, Vici, Veni.
http://porocrom.poromenos.org/ Read it!
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Posted by Meerclar   USA  (733 posts)  Bio
Date Reply #6 on Wed 23 Jun 2004 07:54 PM (UTC)
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That's wierd - I have the exact opposite with 98SE. In all the time Ive used MC with maximum scroll buffers and multiple worlds going with mudftp I've *never* had MC cause memory problems and I'm one of those folks that wont reboot a machine till windows "does it for me". I will admit however that I don't need a lot of triggers and I use absolutely no scripts so that changes things a bit. What I know for sure is a huge resource hog under 98 is jscript - windows resource (de)allocation is absoultely laughable for scripting. (I know this because I'm a coder and I despise jscript for a variety of reasons, memory hog among them)
Meerclar - Lord of Cats
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Posted by David Haley   USA  (3,881 posts)  Bio
Date Reply #7 on Thu 24 Jun 2004 12:08 AM (UTC)
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Yes, I'd be more dubious of the scripting engines than of MUSHclient. Especially since you seem to be a heavy user/author of scripts, Poromenos. :)
David Haley aka Ksilyan
Head Programmer,
Legends of the Darkstone

http://david.the-haleys.org
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Posted by Shadowfyr   USA  (1,788 posts)  Bio
Date Reply #8 on Thu 24 Jun 2004 12:17 AM (UTC)
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Actually.. It sounds like system corruption under 98. My own system doesn't get quite that bad, but I have to reboot every day after I log off the internet, since using Opera, Outlook and Gravity swallows a chunk of memory, which isn't properly released. Mushclient is about the only one I can run safely for hours by itself and not have a system crash pending in the future. However, given enough time, I suspect even it would eventually overload the OS. I know for a fact that this is a result of version incompatibilities between system files and will go away once I eventually get around to reinstalling everything clean. The fact that memory management in 98 was a serious botch job doesn't help when the system itself starts working badly.

In any case, it is usually the OS that causes the random crashes to start happening and due to MS' terrible documentation about what any part of its OS does (obfuscation to protect IP, confuse competition and integration to improve usability at the expense of security or stability) and the laughable methods you have available to 'fix' anything.... you pretty much get stuck reinstalling to solve these problems.
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Posted by David Haley   USA  (3,881 posts)  Bio
Date Reply #9 on Thu 24 Jun 2004 01:07 AM (UTC)
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For your memory trouble, I suggest that you check out:
http://www.yourwaresolutions.com/

Get FreeRAM - great little gadget that will most likely serve you quite well.
David Haley aka Ksilyan
Head Programmer,
Legends of the Darkstone

http://david.the-haleys.org
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Posted by Shadowfyr   USA  (1,788 posts)  Bio
Date Reply #10 on Thu 24 Jun 2004 01:57 AM (UTC)
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That my help it, but definitely not cure it. I know it is dll incompativilities, because a virus ate most of my system files and I had to reload them from the original 98se CD. However, some survived, so I have a hodpodge of versions, none of which I can update, since the OS thinks I installed the patches that included the correct versions. :(
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Posted by David Haley   USA  (3,881 posts)  Bio
Date Reply #11 on Thu 24 Jun 2004 02:42 AM (UTC)
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Why don't you update through DOS?
David Haley aka Ksilyan
Head Programmer,
Legends of the Darkstone

http://david.the-haleys.org
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Posted by Shadowfyr   USA  (1,788 posts)  Bio
Date Reply #12 on Thu 24 Jun 2004 04:30 AM (UTC)
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I have a) no idea if that would even work, b) I am on dialup, so manually downloading all the damn patches is going to be at least as bad as reinstalling, c) I need to clean up a load of junk I don't use and am not sure will uninstall gracefully and d) it is usually a good idea to reinstall once in a while anyway.

And yes, I know MS has a patch disk. I got a copy, but it only fixes the ones 'prior' to most of the new ones, so I still end up downloading patches.
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Posted by David Haley   USA  (3,881 posts)  Bio
Date Reply #13 on Thu 24 Jun 2004 05:21 AM (UTC)
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Well, then, why not delete c:\windows from DOS and reinstall windows? Don't have to format the drive to do that. Your registry will get wiped, but that's pretty easy to fix (just reinstall whatever needs to be in the registry.)
David Haley aka Ksilyan
Head Programmer,
Legends of the Darkstone

http://david.the-haleys.org
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Posted by Poromenos   Greece  (1,037 posts)  Bio
Date Reply #14 on Thu 24 Jun 2004 11:25 AM (UTC)
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Just run SFC, that should revert all files to their original versions. And yes, I do use scripting quite heavily, but I wasn't on the 16 MB RAM box :) And certainly not enough to justify 700 MB ram hog on the new box, which was a fresh (like 2 hours after I installed it) installation, and I hadn't installed any more programs. I suspect the memory deallocation too, since it runs great in XP, but maybe it was a memory leak somewhere in MC's code that 98 couldn't clear...
Vidi, Vici, Veni.
http://porocrom.poromenos.org/ Read it!
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